Comments on: The Lefkoe Method Is Not Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy http://www.mortylefkoe.com/the-lefkoe-method-is-not-cognitive-behavioral-therapy/ Eliminate your beliefs quickly ... Change your life permanently—Guaranteed (R) Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:13:11 +0000 hourly 1 By: admin http://www.mortylefkoe.com/the-lefkoe-method-is-not-cognitive-behavioral-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-955 admin Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:40:04 +0000 http://www.mortylefkoe.com/?p=113#comment-955 Hi John, Good point. However, the study involves answering a standardized questionnaire on line, so there is no one to please. And the questions are designed so that the subject doesn't know what we are looking for. Also, we did an informal follow up on our fear of public speaking study a few years ago. Both the experimental and control groups went from a mean of 7 to a mean of 1.5 immediately after the sessions and a speech (1 is no anxiety and 10 is terror). We did an informal follow up with most of the subjects 6 months later and the mean was still under 2. Regards, Morty Hi John,

Good point. However, the study involves answering a standardized questionnaire on line, so there is no one to please. And the questions are designed so that the subject doesn’t know what we are looking for.

Also, we did an informal follow up on our fear of public speaking study a few years ago. Both the experimental and control groups went from a mean of 7 to a mean of 1.5 immediately after the sessions and a speech (1 is no anxiety and 10 is terror). We did an informal follow up with most of the subjects 6 months later and the mean was still under 2.

Regards, Morty

]]> By: admin http://www.mortylefkoe.com/the-lefkoe-method-is-not-cognitive-behavioral-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-954 admin Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:35:15 +0000 http://www.mortylefkoe.com/?p=113#comment-954 Hi Jonathan, I don't have any first hand experience with NLP but we've had a lot of clients who had tried NLP whose beliefs were still intact when they showed up. In fact I've worked with NLP masters who still had a bunch of negative beliefs. Regards, Morty Hi Jonathan,

I don’t have any first hand experience with NLP but we’ve had a lot of clients who had tried NLP whose beliefs were still intact when they showed up. In fact I’ve worked with NLP masters who still had a bunch of negative beliefs.

Regards, Morty

]]> By: John McCloud http://www.mortylefkoe.com/the-lefkoe-method-is-not-cognitive-behavioral-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-953 John McCloud Wed, 02 Sep 2009 16:31:22 +0000 http://www.mortylefkoe.com/?p=113#comment-953 There have been a lot of studies of CBT, but most of them assess its effcectiveness immediately after completion of a program of CBT sessions. Few measure effectiveness one or two years down the line. The problem with immediate measures is they don't reveal how effective a technique is over time. Many clients want to please therapists and will say they feel better than they actually do. Others feel better briefly because they are being noticed but feel worse once their regular sessions are no longer taking place. Others can follow CBT precepts only with outside assistance; if they can't afford continuous sessions or choose not to have them, they can't abide by them on their own. To my mind, that could also be a problem with the CBT/Lefkoe Method comparison study: if it's done immediately afterwards, it will not be a true measure of long-term effectiveness. There have been a lot of studies of CBT, but most of them assess its effcectiveness immediately after completion of a program of CBT sessions. Few measure effectiveness one or two years down the line. The problem with immediate measures is they don’t reveal how effective a technique is over time. Many clients want to please therapists and will say they feel better than they actually do. Others feel better briefly because they are being noticed but feel worse once their regular sessions are no longer taking place. Others can follow CBT precepts only with outside assistance; if they can’t afford continuous sessions or choose not to have them, they can’t abide by them on their own. To my mind, that could also be a problem with the CBT/Lefkoe Method comparison study: if it’s done immediately afterwards, it will not be a true measure of long-term effectiveness.

]]> By: Terryann Nikides http://www.mortylefkoe.com/the-lefkoe-method-is-not-cognitive-behavioral-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-947 Terryann Nikides Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:05:33 +0000 http://www.mortylefkoe.com/?p=113#comment-947 When it comes to consciousness it seems that we cannot eliminate anything. Much like deleting stuff from your computer - it is never really deleted: and the brain is the most sophisticated computer. Though, what does happen, is that we shift perspective, rather than eliminate beliefs. Once the perspective is shifted then can our same old same old behaviours change. At least this has been my sense that eliminating anything is really not possible- the consciousness remains but our perspective shifts and that changes everything. Much like changing beliefs does not solve the repeated behaviour patterns: It only replaces them with coping mechanisms, while the underlying identities remain unconscious and keep us in the same old patterns. Once what is hidden comes to light there is no going back. The perspective shifts and life changes. We are freed from the old limiting behviours. As we now know from Quatum Physics, consciousness is everything. The awareness of what we were not aware of before is what shifts the perspective from a limited, narrow focus to a greater view of our lives. Inasmuch we have a greater ability to respond to the world. We can take the practical steps. The practical steps are what we have desperately being trying to do all along arise in a magical way once the beliefs are exposed for what they are: lies. All concepts are negative and positive inherently. Concepts contain the shadow and the light. Our minds cannot understand dark without know light. In childhood we opt for one over the other. We reject one side of the coin and live into the other. The rejected side of the coin is dumped into the unconscious and then projected onto the other. In a sense the beliefs that are holding us back are hidden in plain sight. They have been there all along we have just lost sight of them through our defensiveness. The belief that we can "get rid of anything" is only a band-aid. When we want to shed light on or become fully consciousness then getting rid of something is in direct contradiction of fully conscious. The more we try to get rid of something the more it pulls at us. Much like throwing out garbage, we thought in the past we were getting rid of it but it came right back to bite us on the behind! It is the same with the beliefs we think we have gotten rid of- where would they go? It seems to me they would bite us on the behind when we were least ready for it! Thanks you for your time terryann When it comes to consciousness it seems that we cannot eliminate anything. Much like deleting stuff from your computer – it is never really deleted: and the brain is the most sophisticated computer. Though, what does happen, is that we shift perspective, rather than eliminate beliefs.

Once the perspective is shifted then can our same old same old behaviours change.

At least this has been my sense that eliminating anything is really not possible- the consciousness remains but our perspective shifts and that changes everything.

Much like changing beliefs does not solve the repeated behaviour patterns: It only replaces them with coping mechanisms, while the underlying identities remain unconscious and keep us in the same old patterns.

Once what is hidden comes to light there is no going back. The perspective shifts and life changes. We are freed from the old limiting behviours.

As we now know from Quatum Physics, consciousness is everything. The awareness of what we were not aware of before is what shifts the perspective from a limited, narrow focus to a greater view of our lives. Inasmuch we have a greater ability to respond to the world. We can take the practical steps. The practical steps are what we have desperately being trying to do all along arise in a magical way once the beliefs are exposed for what they are: lies.

All concepts are negative and positive inherently. Concepts contain the shadow and the light. Our minds cannot understand dark without know light. In childhood we opt for one over the other. We reject one side of the coin and live into the other. The rejected side of the coin is dumped into the unconscious and then projected onto the other. In a sense the beliefs that are holding us back are hidden in plain sight. They have been there all along we have just lost sight of them through our defensiveness.

The belief that we can “get rid of anything” is only a band-aid. When we want to shed light on or become fully consciousness then getting rid of something is in direct contradiction of fully conscious. The more we try to get rid of something the more it pulls at us. Much like throwing out garbage, we thought in the past we were getting rid of it but it came right back to bite us on the behind!

It is the same with the beliefs we think we have gotten rid of- where would they go? It seems to me they would bite us on the behind when we were least ready for it!

Thanks you for your time
terryann

]]> By: Janet Wilks http://www.mortylefkoe.com/the-lefkoe-method-is-not-cognitive-behavioral-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-946 Janet Wilks Tue, 01 Sep 2009 20:45:56 +0000 http://www.mortylefkoe.com/?p=113#comment-946 Morty, you are so right in what you say about CBT. To my mind it's about "papering over the cracks" rather than pulling the whole wall down and building it up again, which is what the Lefkoe process does. I have applied your method to my clients and what a difference! As an NLP practitioner, in answer to Jonathan, I understand how he may feel NLP removes negative beliefs, however, that is not how I use NLP. I use it to help in visualisation and to understand that if a state can be altered or changed, using NLP techniques, then they are not "stuck" permanently in that state, it isn't "who they are" and they can change if they choose to. So I believe in that way and it can work hand in hand with the Lefkoe process, depending on your belief of NLP of course!!! So the claim to remove negative beliefs with NLP is "a" truth, not "the" truth, according to the Lefkoe Process! Morty, you are so right in what you say about CBT. To my mind it’s about “papering over the cracks” rather than pulling the whole wall down and building it up again, which is what the Lefkoe process does. I have applied your method to my clients and what a difference! As an NLP practitioner, in answer to Jonathan, I understand how he may feel NLP removes negative beliefs, however, that is not how I use NLP. I use it to help in visualisation and to understand that if a state can be altered or changed, using NLP techniques, then they are not “stuck” permanently in that state, it isn’t “who they are” and they can change if they choose to. So I believe in that way and it can work hand in hand with the Lefkoe process, depending on your belief of NLP of course!!! So the claim to remove negative beliefs with NLP is “a” truth, not “the” truth, according to the Lefkoe Process!

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.mortylefkoe.com/the-lefkoe-method-is-not-cognitive-behavioral-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-944 Jonathan Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:45:42 +0000 http://www.mortylefkoe.com/?p=113#comment-944 Morty you don't mention anything about NLP that also claims to be able to remove negative beliefs. Do you have anything to add about NLP and the Lefkoe process? Morty you don’t mention anything about NLP that also claims to be able to remove negative beliefs. Do you have anything to add about NLP and the Lefkoe process?

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