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	<title>Comments on: The Conversation Continues: How Things Occur For Us, Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: I Had a Meltdown &#8211; Morty Lefkoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Had a Meltdown &#8211; Morty Lefkoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (See my blog posts that describe what I mean by “occurring”:  http://mortylefkoe.com/121509; http://mortylefkoe.com/122209; http://mortylefkoe.com/122909. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: warren</title>
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		<dc:creator>warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Morty,

Your comments make sense and my challenge is how do we stay &quot;in the moment&quot;  moment to moment so that events and our prior labeling don&#039;t dictate our responses?

Many spiritual practices such as prayer treatments (SOM), Abraham-Hicks, and Ho&#039;Oponopono etc. suggest we make statements that allow us to return to the state of creation. The challenge I&#039;ve had is that I seem to only get so far with these  process while others have extreme success.  That is very frustrating and seems to me that there are limiting beliefs that could be cleared.

I wonder if there is a way to learn the Lefkoe method and clean oneself in the moment?  Wouldn&#039;t it be ideal if we can become independent and clean away on ourselves.  Many processes like EFT, Yuen and Matrix Energetics teach you to do this however, from my perspective, and I acknowledge my thinking/beliefs, one needs to achieve a certain level of mastery in order to do this work on yourslef.  Maybe that&#039;s a belief however Malcolm Gladwell&#039;s book, Outliers, seems to make a great case for achieving mastery (10,000 hours of practice) in order to get into the flow and stay there.

I wonder if there are a certain set of core beliefs one would have to adopt in order to either 1) use a process to clear our stuff in the moment or 2) contiunually use a process and stick with it until gaol achieved.

Have you ever tried to &quot;install&quot; beliefs with the Lefkoe method? Maybe this would allow us to experience ourselfs as the creator.

Thank you for your work and you have an excpetional family!  I&#039;m prioviledged to be working with Shelly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Morty,</p>
<p>Your comments make sense and my challenge is how do we stay &#8220;in the moment&#8221;  moment to moment so that events and our prior labeling don&#8217;t dictate our responses?</p>
<p>Many spiritual practices such as prayer treatments (SOM), Abraham-Hicks, and Ho&#8217;Oponopono etc. suggest we make statements that allow us to return to the state of creation. The challenge I&#8217;ve had is that I seem to only get so far with these  process while others have extreme success.  That is very frustrating and seems to me that there are limiting beliefs that could be cleared.</p>
<p>I wonder if there is a way to learn the Lefkoe method and clean oneself in the moment?  Wouldn&#8217;t it be ideal if we can become independent and clean away on ourselves.  Many processes like EFT, Yuen and Matrix Energetics teach you to do this however, from my perspective, and I acknowledge my thinking/beliefs, one needs to achieve a certain level of mastery in order to do this work on yourslef.  Maybe that&#8217;s a belief however Malcolm Gladwell&#8217;s book, Outliers, seems to make a great case for achieving mastery (10,000 hours of practice) in order to get into the flow and stay there.</p>
<p>I wonder if there are a certain set of core beliefs one would have to adopt in order to either 1) use a process to clear our stuff in the moment or 2) contiunually use a process and stick with it until gaol achieved.</p>
<p>Have you ever tried to &#8220;install&#8221; beliefs with the Lefkoe method? Maybe this would allow us to experience ourselfs as the creator.</p>
<p>Thank you for your work and you have an excpetional family!  I&#8217;m prioviledged to be working with Shelly.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS.

To add to my last point when i said

&quot; i have heared many times that all is interconnected, i believe this, but at the same time this means that the opposite polarity must be there, that things are also seperate, as there are definatly different objects in our realities that clearly look, feel, smell and sound different !&quot;  my reason for saying that was to emphisize the fact that although our perspective is compleatly related to our reality / occourance, at the same time, our perspective and experiance are also two different things, so there is a possibility for these things to be influenced seperatly

Ian
England</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.</p>
<p>To add to my last point when i said</p>
<p>&#8221; i have heared many times that all is interconnected, i believe this, but at the same time this means that the opposite polarity must be there, that things are also seperate, as there are definatly different objects in our realities that clearly look, feel, smell and sound different !&#8221;  my reason for saying that was to emphisize the fact that although our perspective is compleatly related to our reality / occourance, at the same time, our perspective and experiance are also two different things, so there is a possibility for these things to be influenced seperatly</p>
<p>Ian<br />
England</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would like to hear further explanation on what you mean around this process of what we experiance as you think about it more over the coming weeks, it is interesting too see that you are looking for a way to control or change how things occour to us from a fresh point of view. Do you somehow see, that what does occour to us is compleatly seperate from our own perspective on a situation? i have heared many times that all is interconnected, i believe this, but at the same time this means that the opposite polarity must be there, that thing are also seperate, as there are definatly different objects in our realities that clearly look, feel, smell and sound different !

Could it be that there is a way that we can change what showes up / occoures in our life that has nothing to do with our perspective?

Some food for thourght, cant wait to see where you go with this !

Ian
England</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like to hear further explanation on what you mean around this process of what we experiance as you think about it more over the coming weeks, it is interesting too see that you are looking for a way to control or change how things occour to us from a fresh point of view. Do you somehow see, that what does occour to us is compleatly seperate from our own perspective on a situation? i have heared many times that all is interconnected, i believe this, but at the same time this means that the opposite polarity must be there, that thing are also seperate, as there are definatly different objects in our realities that clearly look, feel, smell and sound different !</p>
<p>Could it be that there is a way that we can change what showes up / occoures in our life that has nothing to do with our perspective?</p>
<p>Some food for thourght, cant wait to see where you go with this !</p>
<p>Ian<br />
England</p>
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		<title>By: lianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>lianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Morty,

First of all;  I am really touched by the vulnerability you show by publishing your thoughts over this process., without knowing what the outcome will be.
And then that is strength at the same time! (Thank you for this inspirational learning moment too!)

What an interesting and important blog item!!
I have two comments/thoughts of which (I hope) may help your thinking

1) Moving along with your thoughts I think an important key lies in how our unconsciousness works or ….can ‘facilitate’ our consciousness. As this ‘making a distinction between creation and creator’ seems to be a rather conscious process, I think we could benefit from knowing how we can ‘transfer’ a ‘clean’ way of thinking ((non)judging/add no meaning) into an unconscious process. For there are the foundations of fight and flight responses that we need in order to survive. This is just a thought of me. ☺ 
Unfortunately I am not a scientist; otherwise I would do the research.

2) As for “Consciously making real that the person or event has no inherent meaning” (the interruption of this automatic meaning-creating process) I want to add the following; having a peripheral vision helps me (and people I coach) to be in the moment and to observe events or persons with minimal to none thinking/giving meaning (judging/stereo-typing etc.) So what if we could use all our senses (or train them or direct them) to absorb events and persons in a peripheral way? Like using a soft/peripheral gaze when watching or listening with ‘peripheral ears’  May be new/additional events may not lead to new limiting beliefs?

Just two (sepearate) thoughts I had.  

Warm regards,
Lianne
(Netherlands)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Morty,</p>
<p>First of all;  I am really touched by the vulnerability you show by publishing your thoughts over this process., without knowing what the outcome will be.<br />
And then that is strength at the same time! (Thank you for this inspirational learning moment too!)</p>
<p>What an interesting and important blog item!!<br />
I have two comments/thoughts of which (I hope) may help your thinking</p>
<p>1) Moving along with your thoughts I think an important key lies in how our unconsciousness works or ….can ‘facilitate’ our consciousness. As this ‘making a distinction between creation and creator’ seems to be a rather conscious process, I think we could benefit from knowing how we can ‘transfer’ a ‘clean’ way of thinking ((non)judging/add no meaning) into an unconscious process. For there are the foundations of fight and flight responses that we need in order to survive. This is just a thought of me. ☺<br />
Unfortunately I am not a scientist; otherwise I would do the research.</p>
<p>2) As for “Consciously making real that the person or event has no inherent meaning” (the interruption of this automatic meaning-creating process) I want to add the following; having a peripheral vision helps me (and people I coach) to be in the moment and to observe events or persons with minimal to none thinking/giving meaning (judging/stereo-typing etc.) So what if we could use all our senses (or train them or direct them) to absorb events and persons in a peripheral way? Like using a soft/peripheral gaze when watching or listening with ‘peripheral ears’  May be new/additional events may not lead to new limiting beliefs?</p>
<p>Just two (sepearate) thoughts I had.  </p>
<p>Warm regards,<br />
Lianne<br />
(Netherlands)</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Fung</title>
		<link>http://www.mortylefkoe.com/122209/comment-page-1/#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Fung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Morty,

Really enjoy reading your thoughts on this.  Your example of your interaction with Shelly&#039;s dad highlight the core of your method.  That the occurance or the meaning of his behaviors are assigned by each family members.  None of the family member has &quot;THE&quot; meaning, just &quot;A&quot; meaning.

You asked if it is &quot;possible to transcend all your beliefs...&quot;  My feeling is yes and no.  Technically yes, but I believe there are limits.  If a person can totally transcend all beliefs, then one can assign meaning or value to all things.  Two huge problems arise.  First if there is no limits, that I can assign any value and meaning I choose to how things happen to me, then can I also assign any value and meaning I choose to how things happen to others?  Can I justify ethnic cleansing in order to create a better race?

The second problem is how we view life and death.  Is there no inherent value in life?  If there is no inherent value, then why should we try to prolong and enrich our lives?

I find this discussion very interesting.  However, I fail to see what you are struggling with, Morty?  This idea of &quot;occurance&quot; is the same as what you have been teaching.  I look forward to your next post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Morty,</p>
<p>Really enjoy reading your thoughts on this.  Your example of your interaction with Shelly&#8217;s dad highlight the core of your method.  That the occurance or the meaning of his behaviors are assigned by each family members.  None of the family member has &#8220;THE&#8221; meaning, just &#8220;A&#8221; meaning.</p>
<p>You asked if it is &#8220;possible to transcend all your beliefs&#8230;&#8221;  My feeling is yes and no.  Technically yes, but I believe there are limits.  If a person can totally transcend all beliefs, then one can assign meaning or value to all things.  Two huge problems arise.  First if there is no limits, that I can assign any value and meaning I choose to how things happen to me, then can I also assign any value and meaning I choose to how things happen to others?  Can I justify ethnic cleansing in order to create a better race?</p>
<p>The second problem is how we view life and death.  Is there no inherent value in life?  If there is no inherent value, then why should we try to prolong and enrich our lives?</p>
<p>I find this discussion very interesting.  However, I fail to see what you are struggling with, Morty?  This idea of &#8220;occurance&#8221; is the same as what you have been teaching.  I look forward to your next post.</p>
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		<title>By: John Halderman</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Halderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I basically agree with you Morty.
I think the key factor is in a persons basic beliefs around how life works, and their role in it. 
If we think that we are at cause in our own life, then we can see how we can choose our beliefs, perceptions and interpretations, thus our feelings and actions. 
If we believe that we are subject to everything that we are involved in, we will have a hard time seeing that we can do anything with our perceptions, feelings and actions. We will see emotions as automatic reactions that we can&#039;t change. Thus we also become subject to the emotions. 
Everything that occurs, just IS, with no predetermined interpretation, feeling or reaction, that&#039;s all us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I basically agree with you Morty.<br />
I think the key factor is in a persons basic beliefs around how life works, and their role in it.<br />
If we think that we are at cause in our own life, then we can see how we can choose our beliefs, perceptions and interpretations, thus our feelings and actions.<br />
If we believe that we are subject to everything that we are involved in, we will have a hard time seeing that we can do anything with our perceptions, feelings and actions. We will see emotions as automatic reactions that we can&#8217;t change. Thus we also become subject to the emotions.<br />
Everything that occurs, just IS, with no predetermined interpretation, feeling or reaction, that&#8217;s all us.</p>
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		<title>By: Anth</title>
		<link>http://www.mortylefkoe.com/122209/comment-page-1/#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>Anth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHat dos this mean (lol)? you said

What determines the meanings we create? Every old meaning we have ever created (old beliefs) affects every new meaning we create,

Old meanings should not affect the new meaning unless you dont get rid of them. And isnt that what the lfecoe method does. It releases old limiting meanings (or beliefs) so we can choose a better meaning about something. There for maybe those negative meanings could help us because we know we dont want them so we let them go and give them no meaning then choose a better more posituive meaning. Pretty simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHat dos this mean (lol)? you said</p>
<p>What determines the meanings we create? Every old meaning we have ever created (old beliefs) affects every new meaning we create,</p>
<p>Old meanings should not affect the new meaning unless you dont get rid of them. And isnt that what the lfecoe method does. It releases old limiting meanings (or beliefs) so we can choose a better meaning about something. There for maybe those negative meanings could help us because we know we dont want them so we let them go and give them no meaning then choose a better more posituive meaning. Pretty simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Dail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Dail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Morty,

Thanks for the update concern your thinking about how we are responsible how we experience something by the meaning we assign to it. An old Chinese proverb points out how untrustworthy our perceptions are. In short, the proverb asserts assigning meaning is not productive. Christianity teaches worrying is unproductive. The thinking there is Christians are heirs to immeasurable wealth and health, and that everything here is temporary. The future is bright and eternal; therefore, Christians of all people can afford to be “cool” as opposed to emotionally “hot.” In short, there is a lot of evidence that you are on the right track. However I believe based on my experiences and the experiences of others that unless a person sees that the future as desirable and unalterable; it is highly unlikely they will have any consistency in being able to keep “cool” during situations that test emotions. Why because any other perception involves the idea of loss and so people get anxious concerning deprivation. So it is natural then to want to determine whether an event will lead to lack because if eternity is not desirable or guaranteed than what happens becomes more important because everything is finite. Stated differently if a person’s frame of reference is everything is available only in measured amounts, and no one knows for certain the amount it creates mental and emotional tension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Morty,</p>
<p>Thanks for the update concern your thinking about how we are responsible how we experience something by the meaning we assign to it. An old Chinese proverb points out how untrustworthy our perceptions are. In short, the proverb asserts assigning meaning is not productive. Christianity teaches worrying is unproductive. The thinking there is Christians are heirs to immeasurable wealth and health, and that everything here is temporary. The future is bright and eternal; therefore, Christians of all people can afford to be “cool” as opposed to emotionally “hot.” In short, there is a lot of evidence that you are on the right track. However I believe based on my experiences and the experiences of others that unless a person sees that the future as desirable and unalterable; it is highly unlikely they will have any consistency in being able to keep “cool” during situations that test emotions. Why because any other perception involves the idea of loss and so people get anxious concerning deprivation. So it is natural then to want to determine whether an event will lead to lack because if eternity is not desirable or guaranteed than what happens becomes more important because everything is finite. Stated differently if a person’s frame of reference is everything is available only in measured amounts, and no one knows for certain the amount it creates mental and emotional tension.</p>
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		<title>By: salim</title>
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		<dc:creator>salim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir strong thought Life is requried for the belief elimination.Salim</description>
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		<title>By: salim</title>
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		<dc:creator>salim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent example &amp; explanation Pls. continue with UR thought write more or personally If U can E-Mail UR thoughts to me I&#039;ll apprecite that. Thks. salimlalani0502@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent example &amp; explanation Pls. continue with UR thought write more or personally If U can E-Mail UR thoughts to me I&#8217;ll apprecite that. Thks. <a href="mailto:salimlalani0502@yahoo.com">salimlalani0502@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: SA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morty,
I look at this whole &quot;occuring&quot; issue in this way:
1)  First it is important to keep the language simple.  I substitute &quot;occurs&quot; with &quot;experience&quot; and then it makes all the sense to me.  Only accidents and misfortune occur or &quot;happen&quot; to you, everything else you experience or &quot;go through&quot;.  The word &quot;occurs&quot; is also very passive compared to &quot;experience&quot; where you have more latitude for creating and shaping.
2)  With that language simplification, I can think of a great analogy to why we experience things differently.  Suppose I were traveling from Chicago to New York and I had a choice of tools or methods of travel - on foot, on horseback, in a wagon, in a car, on a bicycle, on a train, on a plane, etc.  I can take the highways or I can take the backroads.  I can have a companion with me or I can be alone.  My choice of &quot;tool&quot; will determine how I will experience this journey.  If another person were taking the same journey but a different &quot;tool&quot; or method, then that person would describe a very different experience.  Another example is - imagine you are walking down a street and a kid on a roller blade passes you by going down the same street and in the same direction.  Your experience of this street will be very different from that of the kid on roller blades.
3) In a similar way, we all have mental and emotional tools we carry with ourselves and use them to interact with and interpret events and situations as they unfold.  If two people have the same mental and emotional tools they will have the same viewpoints, same interests, and similar interpretations.
4) So, the key to good experiences (occurences) is to select and nurture the right mental and emotional tools.  This is where I see the value of Lefkoe method in rooting out the wrong tools.  My assumption is that elimination of wrong tools will automatically bring up the right tools. This assumption could be questionable.  That is why I suspect a combination of Lefkoe method (to eliminate the wrong tools) could be combined with a positive imagery or auto-suggestion method (to nurture or develop the right tools).
5) I did not go into the details of what right or wrong tools are, or, whether they are even right or wrong or just different.  That would be beyond the scope of this blog.  But it ultimately boils down to belief systems and values that Morty has emphasized for so long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morty,<br />
I look at this whole &#8220;occuring&#8221; issue in this way:<br />
1)  First it is important to keep the language simple.  I substitute &#8220;occurs&#8221; with &#8220;experience&#8221; and then it makes all the sense to me.  Only accidents and misfortune occur or &#8220;happen&#8221; to you, everything else you experience or &#8220;go through&#8221;.  The word &#8220;occurs&#8221; is also very passive compared to &#8220;experience&#8221; where you have more latitude for creating and shaping.<br />
2)  With that language simplification, I can think of a great analogy to why we experience things differently.  Suppose I were traveling from Chicago to New York and I had a choice of tools or methods of travel &#8211; on foot, on horseback, in a wagon, in a car, on a bicycle, on a train, on a plane, etc.  I can take the highways or I can take the backroads.  I can have a companion with me or I can be alone.  My choice of &#8220;tool&#8221; will determine how I will experience this journey.  If another person were taking the same journey but a different &#8220;tool&#8221; or method, then that person would describe a very different experience.  Another example is &#8211; imagine you are walking down a street and a kid on a roller blade passes you by going down the same street and in the same direction.  Your experience of this street will be very different from that of the kid on roller blades.<br />
3) In a similar way, we all have mental and emotional tools we carry with ourselves and use them to interact with and interpret events and situations as they unfold.  If two people have the same mental and emotional tools they will have the same viewpoints, same interests, and similar interpretations.<br />
4) So, the key to good experiences (occurences) is to select and nurture the right mental and emotional tools.  This is where I see the value of Lefkoe method in rooting out the wrong tools.  My assumption is that elimination of wrong tools will automatically bring up the right tools. This assumption could be questionable.  That is why I suspect a combination of Lefkoe method (to eliminate the wrong tools) could be combined with a positive imagery or auto-suggestion method (to nurture or develop the right tools).<br />
5) I did not go into the details of what right or wrong tools are, or, whether they are even right or wrong or just different.  That would be beyond the scope of this blog.  But it ultimately boils down to belief systems and values that Morty has emphasized for so long.</p>
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